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PvZ Forge Fast Expand
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Opening
Forge Fast Expand from the Protoss vs Zerg guide: 8 pylon scout, blind 11 forge plus second scout if the opener is not found first, then branch for 4-6 pool, 9 pool, over-pool, 12 pool, 9/10 hatch, 12 hatch, and 3 hatch before pool.
MFFE opener
+4◈@11∗
Identify Zerg opener
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0:55#
3:00#3:00▶1:10∗∗▶1:25▶
1:30▶1:49▶1:49∗
0:55#3:00#3:00▶1:10∗∗▶1:25▶1:30▶1:49▶1:49∗vs 4-6 pool
vs 9 pool: 2-4 lings
+2vs 9 pool: 6+ lings
+2vs over-pool: 2-4 li…
+2vs over-pool: 6+ lings
+2vs 12 pool
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12 pool: first scout
+212 pool: second scout
+2vs 9/10 hatch
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9/10 hatch: first sc…
+29/10 hatch: second s…
+2Hatch first: pool ti…
▶2:04∗
2:04∗vs 12 hatch
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12 hatch: first scout
+212 hatch: second scout
+2vs 3 hatch before pool
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3 hatch: first scout
+23 hatch: second scout
+2MAIN
FFE opener
6 steps- Pylon @8 supplyNatural wall-off pylon.
- Scout @8 supplySend the pylon probe to scout.
Iffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
The first scout finds Zerg before the blind-forge decision.- Set switch: ? = On
Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→(continue this flow)
If the opener was not found first, make the 11 forge and send a second scout.- Forge @11 supply⇄ Replaces later stepBlind forge in the wall if Zerg has not been scouted first.
- Scout @11 supplySecond probe scout.
- Set switch: ? = On
OTHERWISE
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Identify Zerg opener
0 stepsIfSpawning Pool started before 0:55
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Very early pool: 4-6 drones with pool nearly complete/done when scouted.Spawning Pool started before 0:55
→If= 5 Zergling spotted before 3:00
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6 or more zerglings: use the two-cannon response.= 5 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→If= 5 Zergling spotted before 3:00
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6 or more zerglings: use the two-cannon response.= 5 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→IfSpawning Pool started before 1:10
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9 pool starts around 1:05.Spawning Pool started before 1:10
→Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
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IfSpawning Pool started before 1:25
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Over-pool starts around 1:14 after the overlord.Spawning Pool started before 1:25
→IfHatchery started before 1:30
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9 hatch starts around 1:15; 10 hatch around 1:25.Hatchery started before 1:30
→IfHatchery started before 1:49
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12 hatch starts around 1:40; later pool timing distinguishes 12 hatch from 3 hatch before pool.Hatchery started before 1:49
→IfSpawning Pool started before 1:49
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12 pool path: overlord first, then drones to 12 before pool.Spawning Pool started before 1:49
→Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
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No pool by about 2:00 points to 3 hatch before pool.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
vs 4-6 pool
4 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge required before the defensive cannon.
- Pylon (next building) next buildingSecond pylon next to the nexus immediately.
- Photon Cannon (next building) next buildingMineral-line cannon; protect it with probes.
- Gateway (next building) next buildingAfter holding, proceed as if transitioning into a two-gateway game.
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 9 pool: 2-4 lings
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall.
- Photon Cannon @13 supplyOne cannon is enough for 2-4 zerglings.
- Nexus @15 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 9 pool: 6+ lings
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall.
- Photon Cannon ×2 @13 supplyTwo cannons before nexus against 6+ zerglings.
- Nexus @15 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @18 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs over-pool: 2-4 lings
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall.
- Nexus @13 supply
- Photon Cannon @13 supplyOne cannon is enough for 2-4 zerglings.
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs over-pool: 6+ lings
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall.
- Nexus @13 supply
- Photon Cannon ×2 @13 supplyTwo cannons against 6+ zerglings.
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 12 pool
0 stepsIfswitch is on
→
First-scout version from the guide.Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
Second-scout version from the guide.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
12 pool: first scout
8 steps- Nexus @13 supply
- Forge @13 supply
- Photon Cannon @15 supplyCannon count depends on the zergling commitment.
- Gateway @16 supply
- Pylon @17 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @18 supply
- Cybernetics Core @20 supply
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
12 pool: second scout
8 steps- Forge @11 supply
- Nexus @15 supply
- Photon Cannon @15 supplyCannon count depends on the zergling commitment.
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 9/10 hatch
0 stepsIfswitch is on
→
First-scout version from the guide.Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
Second-scout version from the guide.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
9/10 hatch: first scout
8 steps- Nexus @13 supply
- Forge @14 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Photon Cannon @16 supplyUsually two cannons are needed if Zerg commits to early lings.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
9/10 hatch: second scout
8 steps- Forge @11 supply
- Nexus @14 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Photon Cannon @16 supplyUsually two cannons are needed if Zerg commits to early lings.
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
Hatch first: pool timing
0 stepsIfSpawning Pool started before 2:04
→
Pool started by roughly 2:00 after hatch first: 12 hatch response.Spawning Pool started before 2:04
→Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
No spawning pool by roughly 2:00: 3 hatch before pool.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
vs 12 hatch
0 stepsIfswitch is on
→
First-scout version from the guide.Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
Second-scout version from the guide.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
12 hatch: first scout
8 steps- Nexus @13 supply
- Forge @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Gateway @17 supply
- Photon Cannon @18 supplyCannon count depends on the zergling commitment.
- Assimilator @19 supply
- Cybernetics Core @20 supply
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
12 hatch: second scout
8 steps- Forge @11 supply
- Nexus @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Gateway @17 supply
- Photon Cannon @18 supplyCannon count depends on the zergling commitment.
- Assimilator @19 supply
- Cybernetics Core @20 supply
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 3 hatch before pool
0 stepsIfswitch is on
→
First-scout version from the guide.Ifotherwise (none of the above matched)
→
Second-scout version from the guide.OTHERWISE
→End of Build
3 hatch: first scout
8 steps- Nexus @13 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Forge @18 supply
- Cybernetics Core @19 supply
- Photon Cannon @20 supplyCannon the expansion if punishing the greed.
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
3 hatch: second scout
8 steps- Forge @11 supply
- Nexus @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyPylon in main.
- Gateway @17 supply
- Assimilator @18 supply
- Cybernetics Core @19 supply
- Photon Cannon @20 supplyCannon the expansion if punishing the greed.
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build