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PvZ Forge Fast Expand
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Z
Opening
FFE per the Protoss vs Zerg guide: 8 pylon scout; if their base is not found before 11 supply, blind 11 forge and a second scout. Identify the Zerg opener, then respond (4-6 pool through 3 hatch before pool); nexus-first responses when their base was scouted on the first attempt.
MFFE
+2◈@11∗
Identify Zerg opener
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0:55▶1:10▶1:25▶
1:30▶1:48▶2:03
0:55▶1:10▶1:25▶1:30▶1:48▶2:03vs 4-6 pool
vs 9 pool
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3:00
3:009 pool response
vs over-pool
#3:00
3:00Over-pool response
vs 12 pool
◈@11
12 pool response
vs 9/10 hatch
◈@11
9/10 hatch response
Hatch first: pool by…
▶2:03
2:03vs 11/12 hatch
◈@11
11/12 hatch response
+2vs 3 hatch before pool
◈@11
3 hatch response
+2Standard tech tail (…
MAIN
FFE
4 steps- Pylon @8 supplyIn the natural, positioned for the wall-off
- Scout @8 supplyPylon probe scouts for the Zerg opener
Iffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
Their base was scouted on the first attempt & no blind forge neededIfotherwise (none of the above matched)
→(continue this flow)
Opener not scouted first: blind 11 forge and send a second scout- Forge @11 supply⇄ Replaces later stepBlind forge into the wall
- Scout @12 supplySecond scout probe
OTHERWISE
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Identify Zerg opener
0 stepsIfSpawning Pool started before 0:55
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4-6 drones and a nearly complete pool on first scoutSpawning Pool started before 0:55
→IfSpawning Pool started before 1:10
→
9 pool starts ~1:05; check gas (ling speed) and ling countSpawning Pool started before 1:10
→IfSpawning Pool started before 1:25
→
Over-pool starts ~1:14; most popular Zerg openerSpawning Pool started before 1:25
→IfHatchery started before 1:30
→
9 hatch ~1:15, 10 hatch ~1:25; usually early lingsHatchery started before 1:30
→IfHatchery started before 1:48
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12 hatch starts ~1:40; check whether a pool followsHatchery started before 1:48
→IfSpawning Pool started before 2:03
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Pool-first this late = 12 pool (often a denied 12 hatch)Spawning Pool started before 2:03
→OTHERWISE
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vs 4-6 pool
2 steps- Pylon @9 supplySecond pylon next to the nexus immediately
- Photon Cannon @10 supplyCannon in the mineral line; protect it with probes. Then continue as a Two Gateway opener.
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 9 pool
2 stepsIf= 6 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→(continue this flow)
6+ zerglings need two cannons before the nexus= 6 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→(continue this flow)- Photon Cannon ×2 @13 supply⇄ Replaces later stepTwo cannons before nexus
- Zealot @18 supply⇄ Replaces later stepEarlier zealot vs many lings
OTHERWISE
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9 pool response
4 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Photon Cannon @13 supply
- Nexus @15 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
CONTINUE
→
vs over-pool
1 stepIf= 6 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→(continue this flow)
6+ zerglings need two cannons= 6 Zergling spotted before 3:00
→(continue this flow)- Photon Cannon ×2 @13 supply⇄ Replaces later stepTwo cannons
OTHERWISE
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Over-pool response
4 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Nexus @13 supply
- Photon Cannon @13 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
CONTINUE
→
vs 12 pool
2 stepsIffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
Scouted on the first attempt: nexus before forge- Nexus @13 supply⇄ Replaces later step13 nexus
- Forge @13 supply⇄ Replaces later step13 forge
OTHERWISE
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12 pool response
4 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Nexus @15 supply
- Photon Cannon @15 supplyAdd more vs many lings
- Gateway @15 supply
CONTINUE
→
vs 9/10 hatch
2 stepsIffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
Scouted on the first attempt: nexus before forge- Nexus @13 supply⇄ Replaces later step13 nexus
- Forge @14 supply⇄ Replaces later step14 forge
OTHERWISE
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9/10 hatch response
4 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Nexus @14 supply
- Gateway @15 supply
- Photon Cannon ×2 @16 supplyUsually two cannons; use probes to block
CONTINUE
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Hatch first: pool by 2:05?
0 stepsIfSpawning Pool started before 2:03
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No pool by ~2:00 usually means 3 hatch before poolSpawning Pool started before 2:03
→OTHERWISE
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vs 11/12 hatch
2 stepsIffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
Scouted on the first attempt: nexus before forge- Nexus @13 supply⇄ Replaces later step13 nexus
- Forge @15 supply⇄ Replaces later step15 forge
OTHERWISE
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11/12 hatch response
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Nexus @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyIn main
- Gateway @17 supply
- Photon Cannon @18 supplyAdd more vs many lings
- Assimilator @19 supply
- Cybernetics Core @20 supply
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
vs 3 hatch before pool
3 stepsIffound enemy base before @11 supply
→(continue this flow)
Scouted on the first attempt: nexus first, gateway before forge- Nexus @13 supply⇄ Replaces later step13 nexus
- Gateway @15 supply⇄ Replaces later step15 gateway
- Forge @18 supply⇄ Replaces later step18 forge
OTHERWISE
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3 hatch response
8 steps- Forge @11 supplyForge into the wall
- Nexus @15 supply
- Pylon @16 supplyIn main
- Gateway @17 supply
- Assimilator @18 supply
- Cybernetics Core @19 supply
- Photon Cannon @20 supplyScout their third; consider a cannon rush
- Zealot @22 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build
Standard tech tail (20 zealot)
4 steps- Pylon @16 supplyIn main
- Assimilator @17 supply
- Cybernetics Core @18 supply
- Zealot @20 supply
CONTINUE
→End of Build